1 00:00:00,790 --> 00:00:07,320 [Music] 2 00:00:11,129 --> 00:00:09,410 [Applause] 3 00:00:12,660 --> 00:00:11,139 thanks Morgan 4 00:00:15,270 --> 00:00:12,670 it's great to be here and it's great to 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:15,280 follow Marc's talk which I introduced 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:16,810 some geophysical concepts for things 7 00:00:19,769 --> 00:00:17,890 that we still have yet to figure out 8 00:00:21,660 --> 00:00:19,779 about Enceladus so what I'm going to 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:21,670 tell you about is a work-in-progress is 10 00:00:26,099 --> 00:00:24,130 a JPL supported study it's also 11 00:00:27,659 --> 00:00:26,109 leveraging support from the NASA 12 00:00:31,259 --> 00:00:27,669 Astrobiology Institute namely the icy 13 00:00:32,609 --> 00:00:31,269 worlds program and the idea is to we'll 14 00:00:34,650 --> 00:00:32,619 get distributed geophysical measurements 15 00:00:37,319 --> 00:00:34,660 either combination of orbiter and Lander 16 00:00:38,850 --> 00:00:37,329 or network of Landers to answer 17 00:00:41,910 --> 00:00:38,860 questions about being habitability of 18 00:00:42,959 --> 00:00:41,920 Enceladus so I'd like to not name all of 19 00:00:45,590 --> 00:00:42,969 my authors but just emphasize that 20 00:00:48,540 --> 00:00:45,600 they're people from all over the US and 21 00:00:51,450 --> 00:00:48,550 and also in France and the Czech 22 00:00:55,110 --> 00:00:51,460 Republic and I'll mention work by these 23 00:00:55,979 --> 00:00:55,120 folks so study goals again assess needed 24 00:00:58,229 --> 00:00:55,989 geophysical measurements for 25 00:01:01,740 --> 00:00:58,239 habitability as part of future searches 26 00:01:04,140 --> 00:01:01,750 for life on Enceladus and yeah so to 27 00:01:05,850 --> 00:01:04,150 summarize yeah the orbital either an 28 00:01:07,170 --> 00:01:05,860 orbital only so single or multiple 29 00:01:09,450 --> 00:01:07,180 spacecraft is would that be sufficient 30 00:01:12,569 --> 00:01:09,460 to enter the main geophysical questions 31 00:01:14,399 --> 00:01:12,579 would we need a if we land would have 32 00:01:16,469 --> 00:01:14,409 single Lander be enough would we need a 33 00:01:18,330 --> 00:01:16,479 network or perhaps some cooperation 34 00:01:20,429 --> 00:01:18,340 between them so these are just examples 35 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:20,439 of concepts that have been studied this 36 00:01:25,170 --> 00:01:22,210 one was for Europa the graphic was 37 00:01:27,539 --> 00:01:25,180 convenient just suffice it to say there 38 00:01:30,210 --> 00:01:27,549 are ideas for Landers for in Celicas as 39 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:30,220 well I'll also point out this is a 40 00:01:35,639 --> 00:01:34,479 modified graphic from a NASA artwork 41 00:01:38,370 --> 00:01:35,649 that was part of a press release I 42 00:01:40,380 --> 00:01:38,380 modified it to emphasize that we now 43 00:01:42,450 --> 00:01:40,390 understand that the ice is thinner at 44 00:01:43,889 --> 00:01:42,460 the poles of Enceladus so we'd like to 45 00:01:45,539 --> 00:01:43,899 understand why that is it's just one of 46 00:01:46,980 --> 00:01:45,549 the questions we want to understand so 47 00:01:48,149 --> 00:01:46,990 let me just try to motivate the 48 00:01:49,469 --> 00:01:48,159 connection between geophysics and 49 00:01:51,090 --> 00:01:49,479 habitability a little bit this isn't my 50 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:51,100 real my main soapbox in the last few 51 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:55,570 years so here's a nice figure from a 52 00:01:59,249 --> 00:01:57,250 work that's been prepped by one of our 53 00:02:02,010 --> 00:01:59,259 team members and a Lobo a grad student 54 00:02:04,020 --> 00:02:02,020 at Caltech working with Andy Thompson so 55 00:02:06,569 --> 00:02:04,030 the insight here because of this ice 56 00:02:08,249 --> 00:02:06,579 thickness variation infer from Cassini 57 00:02:10,350 --> 00:02:08,259 measurements Chadha as part of our group 58 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:10,360 as well the work by Hemingway agrees 59 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:12,250 well it has a little more interpretation 60 00:02:18,570 --> 00:02:15,910 of the gravity data so this implies a 61 00:02:19,619 --> 00:02:18,580 lateral transport because where the ice 62 00:02:21,780 --> 00:02:19,629 is thin 63 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:21,790 you should have melting and that should 64 00:02:27,030 --> 00:02:23,170 lead to refreezing 65 00:02:28,739 --> 00:02:27,040 and where the ice is thicker and so yeah 66 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:28,749 you have meltwater traveling along the 67 00:02:33,929 --> 00:02:31,510 ice so if there's if the ocean is salty 68 00:02:36,449 --> 00:02:33,939 at all the lateral transport implies an 69 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:36,459 overturning convection and so we want to 70 00:02:39,929 --> 00:02:37,810 understand how that works 71 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:39,939 and how that factors into any geothermal 72 00:02:42,899 --> 00:02:41,650 transport namely if there are 73 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:42,909 hydrothermal plumes at the base of 74 00:02:46,550 --> 00:02:43,450 Enceladus 75 00:02:48,509 --> 00:02:46,560 or as scales Roble has studied 76 00:02:52,110 --> 00:02:48,519 distributed sorry 77 00:02:53,009 --> 00:02:52,120 throughout the the body of Enceladus so 78 00:02:55,399 --> 00:02:53,019 that's that's one thing that we're 79 00:02:57,149 --> 00:02:55,409 working on that couples in with 80 00:03:01,589 --> 00:02:57,159 determine the transport properties the 81 00:03:03,089 --> 00:03:01,599 ocean couples in with more general 82 00:03:05,550 --> 00:03:03,099 geophysical work including working with 83 00:03:07,740 --> 00:03:05,560 Gail Schilling and Gabriel Toby the kind 84 00:03:10,110 --> 00:03:07,750 of thing that was nicely explored in 85 00:03:12,449 --> 00:03:10,120 this 1d model by Melvin and pre-amp 86 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:12,459 realloc and now is been worked by 87 00:03:17,959 --> 00:03:14,889 postdoc working with me Mohit Mel 88 00:03:20,069 --> 00:03:17,969 juanita swanee also point out that 89 00:03:22,289 --> 00:03:20,079 there's a nice talk tomorrow about be 90 00:03:24,390 --> 00:03:22,299 organics in Enceladus in the prebiotic 91 00:03:27,089 --> 00:03:24,400 chemistry session at 11 o'clock by Frank 92 00:03:29,580 --> 00:03:27,099 host Berg ok so this is the background 93 00:03:32,909 --> 00:03:29,590 for our study so what we've done this is 94 00:03:35,429 --> 00:03:32,919 sort of a small science definition team 95 00:03:36,869 --> 00:03:35,439 kind of study so we tried to identify 96 00:03:39,530 --> 00:03:36,879 all of the questions that you would want 97 00:03:41,969 --> 00:03:39,540 to look at and in order to connect 98 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:41,979 geophysical measurements habitability so 99 00:03:45,689 --> 00:03:43,169 just running through them very quickly 100 00:03:47,939 --> 00:03:45,699 what's the distribution distribution of 101 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:47,949 tidal heat what's why is there a 102 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:49,090 difference between the North Pole in the 103 00:03:53,849 --> 00:03:52,209 South Pole where is the high temperature 104 00:03:54,929 --> 00:03:53,859 water rock interaction happening we do 105 00:03:56,729 --> 00:03:54,939 have evidence for high temperature water 106 00:03:57,839 --> 00:03:56,739 rock interaction is it all at the South 107 00:03:59,219 --> 00:03:57,849 Pole 108 00:04:01,349 --> 00:03:59,229 and then what's the mass exchange as I 109 00:04:04,969 --> 00:04:01,359 mentioned earlier where the rate of 110 00:04:08,369 --> 00:04:04,979 delivery of oxidants to the ocean and 111 00:04:09,390 --> 00:04:08,379 also how does the ice fraction Nate the 112 00:04:12,569 --> 00:04:09,400 materials that are coming out of the 113 00:04:14,670 --> 00:04:12,579 plume and lastly what is the nature of 114 00:04:16,709 --> 00:04:14,680 the ocean transport so we can glibly 115 00:04:19,409 --> 00:04:16,719 summarize those with these convenient 116 00:04:21,089 --> 00:04:19,419 markers at the bottom that correspond to 117 00:04:22,709 --> 00:04:21,099 the numbers and so I'll refer to those 118 00:04:24,210 --> 00:04:22,719 as I run through some measurements that 119 00:04:25,950 --> 00:04:24,220 would one one would want to make 120 00:04:27,780 --> 00:04:25,960 so I can point out that Europa clipper 121 00:04:28,980 --> 00:04:27,790 has an ice penetrating radar I think 122 00:04:31,110 --> 00:04:28,990 this is going to revolutionize our 123 00:04:32,490 --> 00:04:31,120 understanding of ice geo dynamics it 124 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:32,500 would be great to take something like 125 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:34,510 that to Enceladus we could think of 126 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:37,060 stepping up that and if we have 127 00:04:41,250 --> 00:04:38,650 crossover measurements from an orbiter 128 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:41,260 we could actually do synthetic aperture 129 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:43,210 radar mapping and that would allow us to 130 00:04:47,910 --> 00:04:46,450 see where motion is actually happening 131 00:04:51,060 --> 00:04:47,920 so there are different methods of doing 132 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:51,070 that there's traditional radar method 133 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:53,770 methods there's also a light detection 134 00:04:57,150 --> 00:04:55,570 and ranging which I expect would be 135 00:04:59,520 --> 00:04:57,160 lower energy but don't quote me on that 136 00:05:01,110 --> 00:04:59,530 and those have corresponding levels of 137 00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:01,120 precision which we can map in our study 138 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:03,430 and that would be something on our 139 00:05:10,020 --> 00:05:07,600 orbiter mm-hmm similarly we want to 140 00:05:12,450 --> 00:05:10,030 improve on the thermal measurements that 141 00:05:14,610 --> 00:05:12,460 Cassini did so these are examples of 142 00:05:16,650 --> 00:05:14,620 measurements from from Cassini across 143 00:05:20,370 --> 00:05:16,660 the tiger stripes at one particular 144 00:05:22,410 --> 00:05:20,380 tiger stripe here and from a few in his 145 00:05:25,170 --> 00:05:22,420 larger image and so we want to improve 146 00:05:28,050 --> 00:05:25,180 on that hopefully the elf study that I 147 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:28,060 referred to earlier states a range of 148 00:05:32,510 --> 00:05:29,890 spatial resolution sensitivity that we 149 00:05:35,250 --> 00:05:32,520 would want for that kind of measurement 150 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:35,260 so electromagnetic sounding this is 151 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:36,880 going to be a crucial measurement for 152 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:39,610 the Europa clipper namely by taking 153 00:05:44,310 --> 00:05:41,470 advantage of the tilted dipole magnetic 154 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:44,320 field of Jupiter to look at the induced 155 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:47,410 response of Europa Saturn's magnetic 156 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:49,110 field is somewhat inconveniently 157 00:05:52,890 --> 00:05:51,370 directly aligned with its rotation and 158 00:05:56,070 --> 00:05:52,900 so that is not something that we can 159 00:05:59,010 --> 00:05:56,080 utilize however the the orbit of 160 00:06:01,650 --> 00:05:59,020 Enceladus as Mark explored it's somewhat 161 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:01,660 eccentric because that provides a way to 162 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:04,090 measure variations also we might use 163 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:06,130 external oscillations in the field 164 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:08,290 itself so that is although the of the 165 00:06:12,270 --> 00:06:10,000 Saturn's field is not tilted and so it's 166 00:06:13,740 --> 00:06:12,280 not varying due to its rotation it might 167 00:06:17,630 --> 00:06:13,750 vary intrinsically just because of 168 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:17,640 variations within Saturn itself and 169 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:20,050 let's see so that's something we could 170 00:06:24,420 --> 00:06:22,810 employ on a lander even although a 171 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:24,430 single Lander would probably only be 172 00:06:29,210 --> 00:06:27,370 able to get the to infer the thickness 173 00:06:31,380 --> 00:06:29,220 of the ocean and the salinity not be 174 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:31,390 variation in thickness or changes in 175 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:34,510 salinity if any exists okay so we've 176 00:06:37,129 --> 00:06:36,490 done a little bit more work on gravity 177 00:06:38,809 --> 00:06:37,139 the 178 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:38,819 with our team members who are in Prague 179 00:06:43,730 --> 00:06:40,530 also working with our team members in 180 00:06:44,869 --> 00:06:43,740 France and so that charecters is a lead 181 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:44,879 author on some of those Murray Ben 182 00:06:49,459 --> 00:06:46,650 koba's and others they have a few papers 183 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:49,469 recently on the distribution of tides 184 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:51,090 and Enceladus including taking advantage 185 00:06:55,909 --> 00:06:52,289 of our knowledge of the topography of 186 00:06:58,249 --> 00:06:55,919 Enceladus as ice so here I'm showing two 187 00:07:01,640 --> 00:06:58,259 different model runs that they did for 188 00:07:04,189 --> 00:07:01,650 us one with with no deformation in the 189 00:07:06,170 --> 00:07:04,199 in the rocky part of Enceladus and 190 00:07:09,350 --> 00:07:06,180 another accounting for that deformation 191 00:07:10,369 --> 00:07:09,360 you can see they're different and and 192 00:07:12,890 --> 00:07:10,379 this is also accounting for the 193 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:12,900 topography at the at the South Pole so 194 00:07:16,429 --> 00:07:14,370 these are the kinds of variations in 195 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:16,439 gravity that we could measure with an 196 00:07:21,529 --> 00:07:18,240 orbiter the orbiter would have to go 197 00:07:23,179 --> 00:07:21,539 very slow so less than 2.2 kilometers 198 00:07:24,860 --> 00:07:23,189 per second at an altitude of hundred 199 00:07:25,999 --> 00:07:24,870 kilometers and so that's not something 200 00:07:27,339 --> 00:07:26,009 you could achieve with the multiple 201 00:07:29,869 --> 00:07:27,349 flyby mission so you can't envision 202 00:07:31,999 --> 00:07:29,879 orbiting Saturn and flying buy and sell 203 00:07:33,950 --> 00:07:32,009 it it's like for example like we're 204 00:07:36,980 --> 00:07:33,960 doing with your OPA clipper around 205 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:36,990 Jupiter not around Saturn so you could 206 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:38,490 also do gravity from a lander it might 207 00:07:43,429 --> 00:07:40,110 be it would be beneficial to have 208 00:07:44,719 --> 00:07:43,439 multiple vendors in that case another 209 00:07:48,709 --> 00:07:44,729 thing you can do that's related to 210 00:07:49,459 --> 00:07:48,719 gravity from the same model runs that I 211 00:07:51,409 --> 00:07:49,469 showed you previously 212 00:07:55,219 --> 00:07:51,419 you can also compute how much the 213 00:07:57,139 --> 00:07:55,229 surface of evidence' lattice is flexing 214 00:07:59,209 --> 00:07:57,149 it's tilting you would sense that if you 215 00:08:00,379 --> 00:07:59,219 were on the surface as a slight tilt if 216 00:08:01,790 --> 00:08:00,389 you looked up at the stars you would see 217 00:08:04,579 --> 00:08:01,800 they're moving a little bit that motion 218 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:04,589 that turns out is on the order of 2 219 00:08:07,369 --> 00:08:06,449 micro radians so it's very small that's 220 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:07,379 the kind of thing you wouldn't be able 221 00:08:10,969 --> 00:08:09,089 to see if you were orbiting Enceladus 222 00:08:12,139 --> 00:08:10,979 but you would be able to sense that with 223 00:08:13,869 --> 00:08:12,149 a dedicated instrument or even a 224 00:08:17,689 --> 00:08:13,879 seismometer on the surface of Enceladus 225 00:08:19,219 --> 00:08:17,699 so moving on to seismology we've done a 226 00:08:21,679 --> 00:08:19,229 lot of work on this thanks to a previous 227 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:21,689 study that we went through for the last 228 00:08:25,429 --> 00:08:24,180 three years previous three years so I 229 00:08:26,749 --> 00:08:25,439 will assert that this is the best 230 00:08:28,969 --> 00:08:26,759 technique for resolving the interior 231 00:08:32,329 --> 00:08:28,979 structure is the only way you're going 232 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:32,339 to sense the detail composition of the 233 00:08:37,069 --> 00:08:34,890 deeper rocky interior I think in a 234 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:37,079 categorical way and I can I can 235 00:08:41,180 --> 00:08:38,610 emphasize that you would have that 236 00:08:44,149 --> 00:08:41,190 information even more supported if you 237 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:44,159 were able to separate your seismic 238 00:08:50,470 --> 00:08:46,130 interpretation 239 00:08:53,499 --> 00:08:50,480 based on gravity measurements and a 240 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:53,509 medic field measurements so a single 241 00:08:58,509 --> 00:08:55,490 seismometer as is being employed on the 242 00:09:00,040 --> 00:08:58,519 insight mission on Europa could detect 243 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:00,050 signals generated anywhere within 244 00:09:05,590 --> 00:09:03,170 Enceladus there's a Mars I said in 245 00:09:07,629 --> 00:09:05,600 Soledad Europa okay too many too many 246 00:09:08,439 --> 00:09:07,639 planets just to talk about pardon me 247 00:09:10,420 --> 00:09:08,449 pardon me 248 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:10,430 now you don't usually say Mars that 249 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:12,410 often which is it which is a drawback of 250 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:15,130 mine it's not another criticism of Mars 251 00:09:20,290 --> 00:09:18,529 so right and so since we know there's 252 00:09:21,850 --> 00:09:20,300 observed plume activity that itself is a 253 00:09:24,009 --> 00:09:21,860 seismic source that we could utilize and 254 00:09:26,259 --> 00:09:24,019 there are analogies in the form of 255 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:26,269 geysers on earth and volcanic tremor 256 00:09:32,170 --> 00:09:28,970 that might allow us to predict what 257 00:09:33,850 --> 00:09:32,180 those would look like seismically of 258 00:09:35,170 --> 00:09:33,860 course multiple seismometers could 259 00:09:37,509 --> 00:09:35,180 reveal the mechanics of those fissures 260 00:09:39,129 --> 00:09:37,519 or in general be much more helpful for 261 00:09:40,930 --> 00:09:39,139 mapping activity inside of Enceladus 262 00:09:43,180 --> 00:09:40,940 I should explain this complicated graph 263 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:43,190 if you've taken an introductory 264 00:09:47,590 --> 00:09:45,290 seismology class you would see something 265 00:09:49,180 --> 00:09:47,600 like this extending over an hour rather 266 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:49,190 than 300 seconds I'm sorry the top is 267 00:09:51,999 --> 00:09:50,600 cut off it's just showing the 268 00:09:54,100 --> 00:09:52,009 propagation of different waves the 269 00:09:56,290 --> 00:09:54,110 transverse the the radial and the 270 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:56,300 azimuthal components of the waves are 271 00:09:59,889 --> 00:09:58,130 the different colors over a period of 272 00:10:01,780 --> 00:09:59,899 time and as a function of distance all 273 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:01,790 the way from the source to halfway 274 00:10:05,379 --> 00:10:04,250 around Enceladus so it's just it's just 275 00:10:07,179 --> 00:10:05,389 showing that you can see reflections 276 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:07,189 these are these different kind of 277 00:10:10,030 --> 00:10:08,569 scattered features over here on the 278 00:10:11,889 --> 00:10:10,040 right are reflections from different 279 00:10:13,329 --> 00:10:11,899 boundaries including the bottom of the 280 00:10:16,179 --> 00:10:13,339 ice shell and the bottom of the ocean 281 00:10:18,220 --> 00:10:16,189 and so we can do this kind of modeling 282 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:18,230 in the forward modeling fashion thanks 283 00:10:23,230 --> 00:10:20,630 to modern computational technology in 284 00:10:25,749 --> 00:10:23,240 fact based on radial structure models 285 00:10:28,269 --> 00:10:25,759 that I've come up with combined with 286 00:10:30,340 --> 00:10:28,279 that topography and ice thickness that I 287 00:10:32,170 --> 00:10:30,350 mentioned earlier we can create detailed 288 00:10:33,550 --> 00:10:32,180 models Enceladus either either asserting 289 00:10:35,530 --> 00:10:33,560 radial symmetry or taking into account 290 00:10:37,990 --> 00:10:35,540 the variations and then we can do those 291 00:10:40,329 --> 00:10:38,000 full wave form models so we've another 292 00:10:43,059 --> 00:10:40,339 postdoc working with us at JPL using 293 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:43,069 salvus a program that's being developed 294 00:10:46,420 --> 00:10:45,170 so I'll show you an animation this is 295 00:10:48,370 --> 00:10:46,430 this this graphic is showing 296 00:10:51,220 --> 00:10:48,380 specifically the case where you don't 297 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:51,230 have where you have you're not ready 298 00:10:54,579 --> 00:10:52,850 you're not sterically symmetric so the 299 00:10:56,110 --> 00:10:54,589 ice shells varying in thickness and also 300 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:56,120 in topography 301 00:10:59,380 --> 00:10:57,410 so in the movie that you'll see on the 302 00:11:03,940 --> 00:10:59,390 left the comparison of the spherically 303 00:11:05,850 --> 00:11:03,950 symmetric case so you can see the source 304 00:11:08,890 --> 00:11:05,860 from the South Pole just read just 305 00:11:12,220 --> 00:11:08,900 reverberating to the North Pole and back 306 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:12,230 and this is accounting for propagating 307 00:11:16,570 --> 00:11:15,050 modes in the in the deeper interior as 308 00:11:17,470 --> 00:11:16,580 well it's much more complicated and 309 00:11:19,510 --> 00:11:17,480 chaotic 310 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:19,520 if you account for the actual features 311 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:21,410 of Enceladus so there's more work to do 312 00:11:26,019 --> 00:11:23,510 and we're doing that work so just 313 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:26,029 wrapping it up then a single orbiter 314 00:11:28,570 --> 00:11:27,170 could certainly advance our 315 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:28,580 understanding themselveses interior 316 00:11:33,190 --> 00:11:30,410 including the heat and composition and 317 00:11:35,890 --> 00:11:33,200 the workings of the ice turns out you 318 00:11:37,630 --> 00:11:35,900 that the the some of the requirements 319 00:11:39,730 --> 00:11:37,640 for those gravity measurements would 320 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:39,740 would only be achieved if you had some 321 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:42,890 kind of surface device as well it could 322 00:11:46,630 --> 00:11:45,170 be just a mirror but this is this is 323 00:11:49,060 --> 00:11:46,640 pointing to the benefits of having a 324 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:49,070 combined lander orbiter mission of 325 00:11:53,769 --> 00:11:51,890 course a network of Landers would be 326 00:11:54,910 --> 00:11:53,779 helpful you can a single Lander give us 327 00:11:57,790 --> 00:11:54,920 some really interesting information I 328 00:12:00,760 --> 00:11:57,800 think the best outcome would be to 329 00:12:02,650 --> 00:12:00,770 combine all of those things and in a 330 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:02,660 future version its presentation and the 331 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:04,730 paper that will follow I look forward to 332 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:07,070 sharing more rigorous studies of the 333 00:12:10,540 --> 00:12:09,050 cost and other things that the factor 334 00:12:14,930 --> 00:12:10,550 and prioritizing among those so thank